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InlifeThrill says

Hello again friends, this time it is more.. like a dumb question but I’ll ask anyway since google could not help me :)

I have the habit of exporting my final project in mov and from then re-rerender to FLV . Maybe it is a good habit, maybe it is not. The thing lately is that when I do my first export to .mov (and it is almost uncompressed: photo-jpeg 90%) and play it in the native quicktime player the images looks soo brightened and without any contrast compared to the way it looks in AE. I am on windows so I play it in windows media player which results in much more darker image than AE shows O.o ..

so bottom line

- quicktime player -> too bright and with no contrast (brighter than AE shows) - wmp -> too dark and contrasty (darker than AE show)

Both players are using their default settings. The operating system itself is 1 month old, nothing funny or strange has been done accordingly to the color settings neither of my video card nor my monitor.

Obviously cannot count on any player for precise color :/ Really annoying when you cannot sew what you actually did..

Any tip, ideas and shared experience is much appreciated.

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InlifeThrill says

p.s. even though I back up my render with some hard curves adjustments it stills looks far away from the AE preview window :/

thanks

inlife

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dorde says

same problem here :/

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Daniel_R says

@Dobri: someone is coming around here more often! now you enjoy the forums! I told ya! ;)

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felt_tips says

Google “Quicktime gamma problem”. This is the best known problem of all with Quicktime.

No-one seems to know why it does it. It seems to be trying to do some kind of color management to convert from a non-existent legacy gamma and of course getting it wrong.

You could lower the gamma before you compress (because what you’re seeing is an image with a too high gamma level), but you’re not supposed to do that apparently as then it might come out as too dark on other computers. (I do it anyway).

Quicktime X is much better in this respect, but I don’t know if it’s available for PC yet.

This actually shows the extent of the problem – that Quicktime X and Quicktime 7 actually play movies back with completely different gamma settings.

There is a Quicktime gamma stripper app available somewhere that strips the meta data from the file. This doesn’t really work either.

There’s also some very long winded work around from Videocopilot, I think which I found also didn’t work.

Otherwise, Quicktime is robust and amazing.

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1027614

-f.

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InlifeThrill says
@Dobri: someone is coming around here more often! now you enjoy the forums! I told ya! ;)

yea :D it turned out very useful :)

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InlifeThrill says

Thanks Ben, after 5 hours testing it turned out that actually windows media player pretty much does the job.. in contrast what I said about it previously. Since mov is integrated in win7 as supported format it opens easily and I think it works.

Thanks

Regards

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felt_tips says

Yeah… it’s never quite been resolved, but I’m guessing it’s not a problem so much with the Quicktime format itself, but more how the embedded gamma metadata is interpreted by the player.

I also suppose that Quicktime X now doesn’t have the problem as it was released with Apple’s Snow Leopard, which finally brings native Macintosh gamma into line with PC gamma (and much closer to TV gamma)

It’s good to familiarise youself with the concept of gamma (and the little foibles of digital gamma management as 99 times out of 100 if your footage looks rubbish / bleached out / desaturated on another monitor, it’s a gamma issue).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction

-felt.

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InlifeThrill says

Hey thanks, very useful article. Should check it out for sure. Great talk again.

Thanks

inlife

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placdarms says

I’ve heard that NTSC stands for Never The Same Color :D but had no idea MOV has the same issue.

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