(Locked) Important Information Regarding Video Copilot's Element 3D

No Doru. VC and every other company or author have last word about using their products (plugins, softwares, images, videos, music), not envato. In this case last word is “Element 3D User License Agreement”. Envato/videohive staff just implementing the rules for every included file with project – files must be created by author or properly licenced if files comes from any other author or company.
According to Mark’s first post with link to Element 3D User License Agreement, answer is more than clear in part 3/A. We can’t upload element 3d prerenders. End of story.

Again, as an author you need to respect the marketplace rules.

You right. But i want to understand…. for my future plans of using E3D . If Envato approve this, it’s great.

Envano can’t approve E3D prerenders, because of VC rules. I really don’t understand what is not clear :/

It’s great to see you here, Andrew, I’ve bought all your products and watched all your tutorials (you’ve got a great sense of humor), and will be buying this new one as well.

From a buyers’ standpoint, actually I’m glad there’s no prerenders allowed since I hate those anyways; it’s better to support original content authors and support creativity. AK’s the best AE master on the internet (I still Really like that app you developed w/crystal ball, that was killer) and all the Sam videos over the years.

and congrats on 18 months of work getting this latest plugin + addons developed, it looks like it took a lot of time to work on, and it’ll help improve AE for everyone worldwide.

sure develop some templates here, I’ll buy. AK rocks. Biggest fan ever here.

(hey quick question don’t know if this is the right place, with hardware-license keyed software it’s a pita whenever I upgrade my computer/ buy a new mobo/clone my hard drive/whatever), as long as I just use a couple activations every couple years am I good to go re license activation?

dorde said
No Doru. VC and every other company or author have last word about using their products (plugins, softwares, images, videos, music), not envato.

the license is a contract between you and someone, and a contract can be null if the rules are against the laws. (I’m not referring to video copilot element 3D license here)

So if I create something, I own that thing, no company can’t restrict me what I do with my work. So is not that if you buy Photoshop and paint some clouds with it, suddenly Adobe can’t start ruling over what you do with that painting.

ok this is long sorry

uniquefx said
I believe this part of the license covers the pre-renders:

In this regard, no Package Content that You have rendered or any Work that You have created can serve as any sort of stock footage, stock photography or stock media, as animated background or editable media files, or otherwise be offered to the public or compete with the Package or any Product, whether offered for free or payment.

it covers prerender for works made with CONTENT . CONTENT is defined as this:

Content” refers to the proprietary objects, images, presets and other digital files owned by Video Copilot and its licensors that are included in certain Products to facilitate Your creation of special effects, and may include various audiovisual content such as videos and clips, photographs, models, drawings, wire files, textures, motion files and music.

the paragraph you quoted is not complete. It starts from point 2.

2. The goal is to prevent any ability by You or others to appropriate our technology and Content to compete with our own Package:

make sense

You have no right to resell our Content, as rendered by you, in any manner that we regard as being in competition with our Content, or to create a business of offering works or templates (whether offered free or for payment) that are renderings or modifications of our Content and may in fact compete with the Package or the Products in our sole discretion.

I can’t use Content (as defined by Video Copilot at the beginning of the license). correct, again make sense.

In this regard, no Package Content that You have rendered or any Work that You have created can serve as any sort of stock footage, stock photography or stock media, as animated background or editable media files, or otherwise be offered to the public or compete with the Package or any Product, whether offered for free or payment.

In this regard, refers to Content as defined by them not with content made by you.

ok, I will give you an example

case A: you buy Element 3D and the package with the gun from the demo. You make a nice animation with that gun. You want to upload it as stock footage on some stock marketplace. As per license you can’t do it. And is correct and make sense.

case B: You buy Element 3D and use a chicken model that you made yourself. The textures are made by you. The materials also. You animate the chicken with Element 3D, you render the project. You want to upload the chicken stock video to a stock marketplace. You can do it. But not on videohive since envato doesn’t allows you to do it. No problem with this, you need to respect marketplace rules.

If you read the first post of this thread, Mark Brodhuber (envato staff) said:

The plugin’s licensing is a bit of a mixed bag, as it does allow for authors to utilize Element 3D within project files, but there are some limitations that are slightly different from permitted uses of other plugins.

What I understood from this (and I may be wrong) is that the license is unclear but envato decided to go with what video copilot asked even if the license is not clear. Maybe they did good or not, is not for me to decide.

doru said

dorde said
No Doru. VC and every other company or author have last word about using their products (plugins, softwares, images, videos, music), not envato.

the license is a contract between you and someone, and a contract can be null if the rules are against the laws. So if I create something, I own that thing, no company can’t restrict me what I do with my work. So is not that if you buy Photoshop and paint some clouds with it, suddenly Adobe can’t start ruling over what you do with that painting.

Actually they can. If you download a trial of Photoshop, there’s actually restrictions in place that prevent you from commercially profiting off of the works you create within the trial. I believe the student version also prohibits some commercial works as well.

Please understand that we need to abide by all licenses and policies for all platforms we support here on VH. So if Video Copilot’s license specifically states a no prerenders policy, we’re going to enforce that. If you’d really like to include 3D prerenders in with your projects, maybe now’s a good time to get going with C4D or some other 3D software. The same way all VH authors get frustrated when people download and use your projects illegally (against licensing), please keep it on the up and up here, and do the right thing.

No need to worry though, of course I can’t guarantee anything, but I suspect there’s going to be quite a few buyers who own Element 3D.

And to quickly reply to your last point..

What I understood from this (and I may be wrong) is that the license is unclear but envato decided to go with what video copilot asked even if the license is not clear. Maybe they did good or not, is not for me to decide.

The license is very clear. That statement you quoted from my post was pointing out that you CAN make a project with Element 3D, if the models and other assets are original, and you submit it in a way where buyers must also own Element 3D. You cannot upload a project if you prerender out those same models so that buyers can use the project even if they do not own Element 3D.

MarkBrodhuber said
Actually they can. If you download a trial of Photoshop, there’s actually restrictions in place that prevent you from commercially profiting off of the works you create within the trial. I believe the student version also prohibits some commercial works as well.

I said “if you buy it”. what trials has to do with this?

||+609270|MarkBrodhuber said-| Please understand that we need to abide by all licenses and policies for all platforms we support here on VH. So if Video Copilot’s license specifically states a no prerenders policy, we’re going to enforce that. If you’d really like to include 3D prerenders in with your projects, maybe now’s a good time to get going with C4D or some other 3D software. The same way all VH authors get frustrated when people download and use your projects illegally (against licensing), please keep it on the up and up here, and do the right thing.

I’m not argue what envato decided and I have no problem with it, as I said a couple of times. The relation between envato and Video Copilot is not my concern, you can make any agreement you want.

What I’m trying to point out is that Video Copilot license doesn’t deny the use of Element 3D to create render stock items if you don’t use any Content from them. By content meaning for example, objects or materials.

||+609270|MarkBrodhuber said-| And to quickly reply to your last point.. The license is very clear. That statement you quoted from my post was pointing out that you CAN make a project with Element 3D, if the models and other assets are original, and you submit it in a way where buyers must also own Element 3D. You cannot upload a project if you prerender out those same models so that buyers can use the project even if they do not own Element 3D.

Thank you for the clarification.

Maybe I’m looking as the douchebag of the situation but I repeat, is not about why envato doesn’t let me upload that thing or that other thing, or that I have something against Video Copilot or whatever.

Since it was stated by various people that the license prohibits some type of upload, I read the license and I think the statement is not true.

So let you know I wrote to Video Copilot and they said if you using your own 3d object and materials you can sell those renders for example at Istockphoto , shutterstock and so on…

deree said
So let you know I wrote to Video Copilot and they said if you using your own 3d object and materials you can sell those renders for example at Istockphoto , shutterstock and so on…

That would appear to directly contradict what Andrew Kramer himself said a few posts earlier on this very thread.